yep, you are right regarding acetone; I had the van taped and covered for that reason but guess what? We currently use a softfloor camper trailer, that is built like the proverbial brick outhouse, to which I have fitted shockies, 10" electric brakes and a set of 16" sunraysia wheels and tyres the same as fitted to my tow vehicle and it will follow just about anyplace the Troopy can go. Hi Mike, I sourced the tape from Clark Rubber and as per your suggestion chose the closed cell tape. This 'Carrying Load' is for the customers individual weight requirements and can be made up of 'any' additional weight they propose to load the unit up of. Choose a good setup that meets Most of your needs and expectations. If you already have an avan go to the other caravan bloke in town, polite, knows what he is doing, and does it in a timely manner. The hose fuses in our M6 are under the dinning table seat. My mate rolled up with his brand new Avan Adventurer and it's really nice. Yes it was smaller but build wise the same. Nice tight seal but a proper PITA job as access is not easy. Personally if I was interested in a car I'd contact the RACV technical dept, my local mechanic if I use one, and use online forums to tease out my knowledge base. Cheers,Ron & Shirleywww.ronshirl.net2000 3.0L Auto GU Patrol and a Goldstream RV Cutaway. We bought a good Fiat Ducato Avan from Avan Nowra Steve was the Sales person who sold us the M6. Someone should be held accountable. I get around 11L/100km with my 07 XT man towing my camper trailer but it is only 450kg fully loaded and sits lower than the A-Vans with less wind resistance. *Add 200mm travel height and allow for extra weight with 'Adventure Pack' option. The Body of the Avan is (as far as I have seen)is no different to the standard unit. Web2008 Avan CRUISELINER 5.9m (19ft) $24,500* Excl. All I know about them is that they are lightweight( 650kg) and easy to put up and tow. http://www.aroundoz.com/a_clinic.htm Another interesting site. Avan is 4 years old and some compression has taken place.Looking around at Bunnings I couldnt find anything around the 15mm x 15mm mark. So many choices.. ? Do you have a Pic. I took the battery to Battery Workd who kindly replaced it after testing. Other van with aluminum everywhere, and OFF ROAD everything, again a maiden voyage. Thank you !!! They can be stiffened up to do it. We have our Avan Pressurised when on the dirt for that very reason. If you don't get it done today, there's always tomorrow! WHY. If in WA there are two places to buy the foam in the Perth area, George Day Caravans http://www.georgeday.com.au/or WA Avan at Guildford (also known as Offshore Marine) closing soon I believe and all parts going to GD). This is an Adventure Plus with Solar Panel.The battery capacity has been a problem from day one. The same for Gey Waste . You can buy airbags that will lift the roof at the touch of a buttoncosts about $745 and was featured in the last Avan Club magazine.See the link belowlast page.Good Luck.EDIT club link removed - PM me if you want me to email you a copy of the advert. I bought a Redarc charger which seemed to work well when doing the initial charge-up of the new battery. I can't comment on a water reservoir's impact as I've never had one. Turn the tap off and the pump then appears to stop however somehow the pump continues on its merry way whirring very very quietly in the background almost silently draining the battery. A. Also dumb question maybe but do the lights/toilet flush only work on 12v? Things hadnt been finished properly, and they had no intention of fixing it. Contact your nearest Avan Camper Club and ask when they are having a meet up. I contacted Avan and was told that the foam is 3/4 x3/4 h/density..maybe We have just purchased a 2007 avan hard roof pop top. How do you open the 12v fuse boxcover in 2015 avan cruiseliner? Doug, I think the van with the flat roof you were talking about was a Coromal camper trailer (similar to an Avan camper but with a flat roof bit on top), they had struts on the side but they no longer make them, they had a lot of leaking problems with the roofs, there are still a few around on the market. Coromal still make the camper trailer that is similar to the Jayco ones, but that is not the one I am talking about. As well as the bungy cords Doug, the inside springs weaken over time too and may have to be replaced, although uncommon. I also added some extra nylon flat stripsbetweenthe roof and bodyoverlaps (available as Avan parts) they made the roof part easier when raising and they didn't "stick". My friend has an A-Van SportsLiner (the smallest 2 berth one that weighs about 700kg I think) and tows it with her 10 Forester XS auto and has been from one end of QLD to the other without much complaint other than the A-Van bounces around alot. It has an on/off switch. Love what you do Do what you Love!! Or do you know where I can easily download one? Try doing short trips on dirt like 20 ks or so to see how the vehicle handles it. I hope you're pleasantly surprised, but I suspect it will not be so. As I am a female solo traveler subject to the environment the canvas camper trailers (which would be ideal) are not an option for me. I presume this is not an Avan accessory but after market product. , http://www.avanclubaust.org.au/images/DL_477_.pdf. What a magic area you travelled , we adore those areas, brings back memories of some of our great treks. (inside/lower edge of L shaped aluminium facing down when closed and latched). My forward panel looks ok, however the rear panel definately needs to be replaced. There have been a couple of cases of people raising the roof in high winds with the rear facing the wind, when the top (larger) side of the roof is raised the roof has been caught by wind and flipped outwards, breaking the bungee. All this need attention before taking the van onto the Dirt or encountering hundreds of Klms of Corrugations, Our van has been modified to do these sort of trips. I had an A'liner (2B floor plan) for 7 years and the times with that were the most enjoyable in our camping experience. it is advisable to discuss with your Avan representative. Get the "Closed Cell" type seal From Clarkes. Torsion and compression are reduced by pressed hole cross-members, with intelligent engineering also increasing strength and protecting electrical wiring. Help?Cliff. Welcome to the forum Frannie, I was talking to a committee member of the WA branch of the A'van Club a few days ago about this, he said some of them had telescopic struts fitted on the outside to assist in lifting. There are similar winch type systems that people have made. I will never buy another product from this company. By default it's also a stone guard :) Hope this helps :). I have had to renew all my seals on the Cruiseliner (2005) Think the seals used originaly were not Closed Cell type foam. I have 2007 cruise liner cant find drain for air con. Try to get one with windout windows both back and front, and two or three roof hatches for flow through ventilation and better still with aircon if you can. I had a Heron 2.2 fitted to mine under the table, later many went with the ducted under bed aircon. Don't believe the guff about the peaked roof acting like a chimney to make it cooler inside, like any van, in hot weather they are hot. Mine had the normal independent suspension, later Avan boosted these with hydraulic shockies.. http://members.ozemail.com.au/~ekthomas/tips.html, http://www.avan.com.au/products_aliner.html (See floor layouts), http://members.ozemail.com.au/~ekthomas/mods.html, -- Edited by Duh on Sunday 7th of July 2013 09:18:51 PM. Damn ,,, we need an Avan ,,, you guys have so much fun with them, There are 3 types of people in this world, Ones who make it happen, the second who watches what happens and the third who wonders what happened. WebI have not picked up my Avan Cruisliner at Nowra yet because we have had so much rain. This trailer may have the two lower panel gas springs reduced to 50 pounds so a bit of lift is required by the owner. Due to the crushing weight of the new panels, This most recent modification was accomplished by a lady who enjoys such projects. The attached article is on my 2005 Aliner that was desperately needing a simple method of raising the roof panels. My panels raise up to 15" when the latches are released. Then I need to add a minor effort to raise them up to the fully up location. I used 40 pound springs on the first three. Today I would have used 30 pound springs, So no matter what the obstacle you can put a gas spring at each corner. You may just need to find one that has the correct parameters to do the job. Most trailers should need about 30 pound force springs. Charges Caravan 5.92m 3 people 1,200 kg Private Seller NSW Contact seller View details 23 Compare 2015 Avan Owen 5.9m (20ft) $46,900* Excl. Camping gear has unsurprisingly been at the top of a lot of shopping lists this summer. Would never ever buy a Golf again. Hi we are new to caravaning & just sold our Jayco Hawk Outback which we had for a few years & loved it "no probs". I haven't owned, or erected, an A-Van .. but perhaps this would be of assistance ? Mike, thank you for your input and advice. We have a huge network across Australia.View our dealer network page to locate your nearest dealer location. Hi Julie, that's an easy fix just use a small door stopper jam it in between the handle and the side of the dome base then the handle won't come down when your travelling along. Was pressured into signing a contract, and was not fully informed of the risks involved. Drive away price is inclusive of all on road costs. Hi Tina, that is a simple one to fix. Retired Engineer, ExPark Owner & Caravan Consultant.. Make sure the Nylon (Polystone) guides are still in place at the end of the Top Roof Panel. Can you advise what tyre pressure we should have when on road travelling for our Golf Camper - Bush Challenger 4 - its been a couple of years since we have been on the road :). G'day Mike, thank you very much for the idea's/tips on replacing the foam strips and the links. of them ? Mine is strapped down. They managed to make that happen for us and we were very grateful. Here is a link to the grand roof raising ceremony to the most recent US older A-Frame trailer that had these installed a week ago: So just replacing the factory springs could destroy your roof panels. However some say they are not meant for 'off road' driving. Hope this is of use. Vic, yes I know what you mean by no offroad model, which is the one dissapointment I can see so far. Thanks again and enjoy your trip. Absolutely disgusting customer service. Just one problem .. the water pump??? I hope this post helps you overcome the problem facing all A-frame trailer owners with ever deforming roof springs as they age and bend. There is little resale value to a trailer when the panels cannot be easily lifted. However in saying this my level of actual 4X4 driving experience has been limited to the farm and mostly by my husband. So it's normal to come of and on but if it's spending a lot of time on then I'd check to see if all the joints are holding their pressure. Hi guys, by now I realise that there are a few Avan owners on the the forum and I am wondering if anyone has had to replace the high density adhesivefoam on side roof panels? Ask the salesperson or do an online search. I have noted in my travels a Brand new Kimberley Camper with a broken suspension, Large new off road you beut caravan with fridge fallen out of its cabinet, sky domes ripped off in slip stream. Wouldn't they be able to adapt it somehow ? Like owning a 4x4 (I am in a 4x4 club) 98% of my time is driving in 2 wheel drive on bitumen. We have an Avan "Cruiser" which is identical to the "Cruiseliner" but does not have the front boot and have owned this camper for about 5 years. It has the raised suspension which I think basically just raised the ground clearance of the van and has a slightly heavier chassis. He also promised to replace the rear right hand side fly screen and advised they had replaced the Awning. Gibb River Road, GCR, Strzelecki, Oodnadatta, Savannah Way (The dirt Bits) and lots more. All the bits and pieces (ie fridge, fabric treatment etc) had their own pamphlets or manuals but nothing from Avan. 2023 ProductReview.com.au Pty. You'll find lots of good info and help there. Thanks Nandk, i was hoping a jayco owner would give me an opinion thanks for that, like i said you can't go past their after sales service,have looked at a discovery they looked ok but will check out a few more cheers. Camper Trailer. I put stronger (same size but thicker gauge) coil springs on the rear of my Xtrail, still a good ride but improved any sag at the rear when hitched up check this out , I know it can be some times difficult, I know that, but it only needs a bit of imagination to wonder if it might not be possible adapt the unit to raise this roof too.. Thanks, GaryKelly. I too have had a HiAce with a poptop, and also a Mercedes poptop. Agree with you about bending your kness, and having straight arms but this is altogether different. One of the earlier people to post a message regarding this provided a link to a site showing the roof being raised. My problem is that I don't have the strength to lift the roof more than thefirst few cms that you see in the video.. There are a couple on the forum and they might see your question and reply., DOUG Chief One Feather (Losing feathers with age), TUG.2014 Holden LT Colorado Twin Cab Ute with Canopy, DEN. 2014 "Chief" Arrow CV (with some changes). Every step of the process is made to be as simple as possible and to result in an awning that is safe, secure and sturdy. Age is an attitudeNOT a condition. Recieved bunk ladder from factory with an appaling message on the package (and also a part missing from the ladder) Steer clear of this company, i wish we did. The worst comments nearly everyone made was their 'so called after sales service (or lack of)..very worrying if considering buying newstill researching.Gwynnie from matildatraveller in Queensland, Your answer islooking you straight in the face, can it be any simper? The standard unit carrying load Avan applies is: Single Axle; 300kg. I was a member of the Club for 7 years, members can attend any Avan Club rally in any state and an Australian wide guide to rallies, dates, contacts etc is put in their regular newsletters. At $20 per annum membership and $10 joining fee, it is one of the cheapest clubs in Oz and well worth joining. Please note it is not for caravans, only Avanfolding type camper trailers. The club started like that before Avan started making caravans and members voted to keep it for the A shaped folding camper trailers. And yes they do have info for members on repairing etc once you have joined. Your lights won't only work on 12v but also 240v when you plug it into say a caravan site. I hope that there is somebody out there who could benefit from the experimenting we are doing down under in the United States! You have more ways to consider mounting your gas springs. And please keep others informed of future breakthroughs in this developing technology. For years I looked for a method to deal with this aging spring issue. Now the issue is resolved. The Cruise and Cruiseliner now come in optional titanium finish with black checkerplate protection for your camper. The tare and tow ball weight is only a guide and will change depending on accessories which are fitted to your van. My biggest issue really is getting the best size foam as it varies front to back on rear roof panel , ie 15mm down to 12mm, I guess this is down to movement in the frame. Given th, When contacting this dealer with regard to warranty problems I was referred to Pakenham. Seems reasonable to me too - not that I tow but just from stories around the campfire. For interestedforum members the closed cell adhesive code number is EPDM 414. IMHO for a long time allowances have been inadequate and probably unethical. 2 months later the new battery is now dead and showed 4v. Was offered a refund or to wait 12 months for a new one. Hi Bruce think about joining the Facebook group Avan Motorhomes. Hi, I am just doing some research regarding Avan Cruiseliner or Bush Pack Aliner Campers and the do's & don'ts when considering them as an towing option. Hi Mike and thanks for the info re type of foam. You could also try standing on a caravan step to get more leverage being higher off the ground with more push power. Brian, that is a very comprehensive webpage, and it looks like you have yours set up well to suit your needs. Don't take life too seriously, it never ends well. Lights on the internal charger were on and there were flashing lights on the solar charger (a-van was in a shed with no sun). Without it I don't think it would last long. Must ask her what her consumption is. The numbers from AVAN vary. 2019 Isuzu D-Max dual cab, canopy, Fulcrum suspension; 2011 17' Jayco Discovery poptop Outback, We have a 2005 Avan Cruiseliner. It cools the van by one degree. The van is 2.4 years old, not many problems previously, but this time the bumper bar broke from the tack welding, which is only about an inch long on all four spots and will not tolerate-too much jarring, it was a shock to us, could have been serious if it had released entirely from the van totally re traffic following. Can a power mover be fitted to a 2019 Cruiseliner? Any advice is really appreciated.. My vehicle is a 2.8lt Toyota Hilux 4x4 utility with over axle leaf shocks together with ENCORE BIG BORE 4X4 shock absorbers. Hi Ace Pop Top Campervan & A'Van A'Lite Camper Trailer.. Khalil Gibran says "We tarry forward - not backward". - ormaybe it was something else ??). The solution might be as simple as that :), DOUG Chief One Feather (Losing feathers with age), TUG.2014 Holden LT Colorado Twin Cab Ute with Canopy, DEN. 2014 "Chief" Arrow CV (with some changes). It was ok. On the 2nd trip out, neither the pump, nor the solar lights were working. We took the caravan over on that date an hour and a half drive , the manager was not there , another employee told me that it he didn't think it was under warranty, but would find out, after waiting about an half hour he, Bob Jan Scott and all the staff were extremely helpful with the purchase of our new Avan 564 everything we asked for was carried out with fo fuss would recomend Avan Adelaideto anyone looking for a new vanThanksAndrew and Jenny Ba0, Hi Teddy if you have a Fiat Ducato the fuses are to the right of the steering wheel. Vic - Mitsubishi Outlander and rear end tent. Mazda BT50 towing a 22'6" Aussie Humpback. We went away overseas for a month leaving the mains power plugged in. I did have attachments at the bottom but not necessary with the attached wooden bead. As a ex Avan owner try standing near the middle and close to front of the inside, make sure the sides are already down and push up on the front section roof. I charged monthly to keep the battery topped up but eventually found the battery was totally dead. The adventure pack has a coil spring Trailing Arm Suspension and more ground clearance. General disclaimer: All third party trademarks, images and copyrights on this page are used for the purpose of comparative advertising, criticism or review. Especially important are what weight your car can tow and what weight it can accept on the towball. Neither of those options suited us, so we kept the van. Also is does the damaged foam cause a problem or is it cosmetic or may cause a problem? I measured the current with everything off. Did anyone here taken the above camper/s on any offroad trip such as the Gibb River Road or similar and came home without any issues? You also need to know what your car weighs, then add the tow ball weight, the weight of your fuel (allow 1kg per litre), the weight of your stuff in the vehicle and the weight of your passengers and driver. I see on that site a pic of the American version of the AustralianA'lite I used to have, some differences., Cheers, Gerty. Or get the Avan agent near you to replace them, they have to replace the Bungee Cord as well when doing this job. Welcome Fran. Sorry about the green. That was the colour of the link 'till I made it clickable, so I'm stuck with it for the rest of this post. Unfortunately, while a van/trailer might operate satisfactorily beyond the 'legal' weight, there is the risk of being fined and an insurance claims being refused. We had some sun blind vinyl at hand, so covered the boot front and angled sides (just cut and glued) and it flops down as weather proofing or just sits on top of the boot door when the doors open. My question is the weight and towing. WebA'van Cruiser & Cruiseliner (Caravan): 3.3 out of 5 stars from 46 genuine reviews on Australia's largest opinion site ieatwords.com.au. I finally finished the job this morning, went with original quoted size of 3/4 inch (nearest metric) as the degraded foam had compressed. There is no locking mechanism on the inside, just the winder. I am using an Xtrail to tow the Cruiseliner. The research I did before buying either suggested that combination was okay for I'd looked into the towball capacity and towing capacity of the Xtrail, along with the ball weight, tare and laden weight of the van. Is that correct . or have I overlooked something?My son-in-law mechanic suggested I get a set of stronger shock absorbers on the Xtrail (??? , http://alinerownersclub.org/diy/roof-springs-and-bungees/, Also something I wrote a while back. Thanks so much that sounds like good advice, i'll definatley do my homework & won't be pressured, i didn't think it was going to be this hard! When switch turned on and the tap is opened the the pump is clearly audible. Avan themselves dont seem to care about there products once it leaves the factory. This is a public forum presenting user opinions on selected products and businesses, and as such the views expressed do not reflect the opinion of ProductReview.com.au. This seller works with a finance partner to offer you finance options to buy this caravan. the reason why the spline strips on the butterfly handle is when you don't open them for a while the roof vent lid sticks to the black rubber and if you keep trying to put pressure on the butterfly handle it strips, you should always open those roof vent lids when the van is down when they have been closed for a long period. Hi I have an AVAN Cruiseliner Adventure Pack Plus. You could get the new car home and find you can't get inside it without exceeding GVM with the van attached. We have just picked up a 2012 Avan Cruiseliner and towed it from Bundaberg to Kingaroy with our auto 2011 Forester X to camp for the night and then back home to the Sunshine coast. After numerous personal contacts the flyscreen has still not been replaced. When we did ours, the tare weight was not correct and had eaten well into the ATM (supposedly our 300kg ). Thanks for the advice, the caravan show is on in Brisbaneearly june i'm going to have a good look at the competition, that waywe can make a more informed decision on our investment. This mob will send you the Kit, so you can fit it yourself, or get some-one else to do it for you, if you're not that way inclined, or they will fit it for you if you can take the unit to them. It is secured by very short screws.A curtain fastener fell offA screw to hold the gas pipe up underneath the van was missing.The two vents were warped. If you go on any rough road things will come loose in any van if you are not prepared. I am currently looking at buying a secondhand Avan Camper trailer (Aliner, Cruiser, Cruisliner), and am after the good oil on what to look for. Can anybody help me with suggestions on making the A liner roof easy to raise. -- Edited by Brian Hovander on Monday 8th of May 2017 12:32:28 PM. Once it is sold, not their problem apparently. On the other hand, a friend of mine kept his at the tyre pressures recommended by Avan and his tyres shredded part way around on his Around Oz adventure. Thanks to David Hall (of Australia) the solution has been invented to raise roof panels with the supplemental assistance of gas springs. Several US A-frame manufacturers have carried his technique forward. Like all campers and caravans (even OFF ROADERS) you will have lots of stuff rattle loose and come adrift. G'day Brian and Jim, thanks for that, I will give them a call. WebSimple to erect Our Avan Awnings are easy to erect. I know other Avanners with both Off Road vans and standard jobs like ours who travel on dirt a lot. Below. There is one in each corner. Another thing to consider is, there are a lot of areas of the avan roof that when closed down will let in dust if the Seals are not up to scratch. Thanks Sam.Good advice.I'm still wondering why Avan has limited the ATM (the total weight of the unit) to 1,350kg, when the axles can take much more.With the tow ball mass rated at 160kg, why not match that with an ATM of 1,600kg?As you say, the van/trailer should operate satisfactorily beyond 1,350kg.Cheers,Alan. Please check with your dealer prior to purchase. If you are a a Member of the Avan Club Australia you can peruse the Avan website for this subject certain it has been covered. Hi Didi, Jennie is right on the money, it's mandatory to remain within the specifications (car & van). ALKO IRS standard axle. I hope you were successful installing the gas springs. I added an article above on how some of us over here are doing this to older Aliners. Oh, I am a licensed professional civil engineer so I looked for the method that takes the lowest force spring and provides the highest torque to raise my personal roof panels. they are only about $6 each. You need to read all the facts about weight before buying the new vehicle. We bought a new Aliner last year and have been documenting all the mods that we've done to it, to give inspiration to other Aliner owners. If they can do this, wouldn't that be similar to what would be needed for the "A" Van ? In case I am indisposed while away in the van, Ellie can put the roof up with ease. What I need though is something that can handle some offroad camping and would need to get one that has the upgraded chassis/suspension. I will check tonight when it is dark in case I'm measuring a small charging current as opposed to a draining current.Most of the current was on the light weight pair. Hope it's a simple fix :), Manual on how to use heater in avan cruiseliner. Some more than others. These do not influence our content moderation policies in any way, though ProductReview.com.au may earn commissions for products/services purchased via affiliate links. 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