Uh, he's a master plotter. We just need a whole lot more of one simple element. But as the play goes on, you begin to think that maybe that's just another lie. Jul 28, 2018 Like, he didn't intend for that to happen. For information about Sloan, at www.sloan.org. I think you got to answer it with him, right? And also thank you to Alex Haslem, Professor of Psychology at the University of Exeter. And it's kind of surprising, a lot of them are really positive, even though they've just been told that they were duped. [inaudible 00:21:03] just cut it out. I don't think I ever had a fantasy that anatomically specific where I would see the part of the other person that I was going to stab or plan it like that. Even past when they were screaming in pain. Reviews . Um, "Demand me nothing. Investigating a strange world. Literally disappeared for six months, and didn't tell anyone where she was because she was terrified that he was going to kill her. He walked out of the room, and just started weeping. And he spent five years in a futile effort to distill gold from the ocean's waters. When you call someone then you're kind of done with them. I knew what he was capable of, so I suggested that we go out for a walk and I, basically, spent the next half hour walking around with him trying to cool him off. The authoritative record of New York Public Radio's programming is the audio record. They will spare his son if he fesses up and- and tells them what they need to know. The use of it, he couldn't have imagined. If the experiment had to be successful, it had to be carried on.". In the other room, there was a guy who he called the learner who is supposed to have memorized some words. And almost like blaming the victims. These are- these are people who are incredibly noble. "Well, why can't you deal with it in a normal way?" No, but there's part of me says, "You know, here's a guy who just wanted to do everything better than had ever been done before." comment. When I stand before you, judges of Israel, in this court [Foreign 00:12:14] to accuse Adolf Eichmann [Foreign 00:12:18], I do not stand alone. That is captured the nitrogen right out of the air. The first victims of the Green River killer were found in the summer of 1982. I mean, it's the fact that of course that they're administering main to a strange. It is a fair question to ask, "What are the conditions under which you, or me, or any of us could do-. The use of it, he couldn't have imagined. I'll give you bad. But in a famous incident, one of England's leading scientists refuses to shake his hand. Then suddenly the thought occurred to me that my life would be much happier without him in existence.". And-. That I remember picking her up and-. I'm really proud of Job, he believes in me, and he trusts me in so much, and he has such great faith in me. I think I call it [prince-nez 00:28:23], so I'm not sure. And, um, why is it so important do you think to understand the why behind such an evil act? Yeah, well (laughing). All right. And so in 1918, Fritz Haber gets the Nobel Prize. If the experiment- if the experiment had to be successful, it had to be carried on.". It is still trotted out to explain everything from hazing to war crimes. And what he decided to do is go into the ocean, into sea water, which contains very small levels of gold. Warning. And, um, in January of 1984, the Green River task force was formed. Wore a little, um, uh, pince-nez? No. We want what Elizabethans got at the scaffold, which was a confession. Then a few months later, he started calling me, trying to get back together, but I didn't want to. Or does everybody at some point have something dark in them? Yeah. When I picked them up, I was going to kill them." With help from Adam Cole, Rachel James, and Matt [Kielty 01:07:25]. Radiolab is supported by Audible. But if looked at from another perspective, there is a sense in which you could celebrate what they're doing. "Definitely yes.". Yeah. We didn't really come into any kind of agreement with the Haber thing. I'm not going to go ahead with it. He refuses what we fully expect and what everybody on stage at that moment fully expects from him. Would you really think that this guy's a good guy? Today's date is, uh, June 17th. connect it to this little electrode to your finger. And he was someone who had very big ambitions. You know what? This actually brings us to the first topic of the hour, so let me Just to set it up. He, ultimately, spent 17 years searching for this man. Well, that's because you- be-because Molly's been in the chair. And the infinity of gray spaces in between. I- I know it was more than [inaudible 00:59:44]. Each answer just begs another why. Now, of course you could find some nitrogen out in the world. In those days if you're a convicted male felon, you are, you know, strung up by- You're not allowed to hang till you die. Radiolab.org. I'm starting to feel a little bit better about my fellow man. With my arm. ", "We'll basically bring it to the front and when the- when the wind is right, we'll just spray it.". That's it? What you know-". And then, walks away from his child and his wife dead in the garden and says-. "Why did you inflict all this suffering on them, on us? I got those all at night, mostly. Bald on top. Rocket Mortgage by Quicken Loans. That's where they're heading towards. Well, have you ever been blackmailed the way this woman was being blackmailed? The Bad Show.ogg download. And we end with the story of a man who chased one of the most prolific serial killers in US history, then got a chance to ask him the question that had haunted him for years: why? He figured maybe 1% of these men would keep flicking these switches up to the highest voltage, but that's not what he found. In a rage how? Enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. And every scenario produced a different result. But in all of these other scenarios, they don't. We thought that maybe as- as we turn a corner ourselves, we should refresh. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. And even when they do say, "Yes." And he ran them through something like what you and I just did. And then he seemed fine. That's one of the things we have to know and that's why it's okay to let out. "This was a moment in German history," he says, "When Jews had a decent amount of freedom.". Necrophilia. Well I mean, I know it does, sir. And they would circle yes or no. We'll basically bring it to the front, and when the wind is right, we'll just spray it. The general's name is Othello. It was about how far would these people go? Today's date Is June 17, 2003. What did you remember since we last talked [inaudible 00:57:19]? She was a- I knew she had a daughter in the last [crosstalk 01:01:03]. We will begin with this test. Haber finds himself in a little town in Belgium called Yp-. Stanley Milgram had four scripted prods that he wrote out for his experimenters for when the subjects didn't want to continue. Do you leave this experiment in a light mood or in a dark mood? We lived together for a couple months, he was very aggressive, he started calling me a whore, and told me he didn't love me anymore, so I broke up with him. Especially because she found out he was leaving the next day to direct more gas attacks. My point is sometimes when we ask the why in the face of profound evil, I kind of wonder if what we're doing is that we're daring God to show himself. You can find out more information about all those guys on our website. And my father wasn't buying it. He ultimately spent 17 years searching for this man. That the earth couldn't support this many people. But even with all that gore and horribleness, there was often a moment that people waited for; and in a way we wait for it still, even now. To the best of your memory, which word was matched with nice? If any sizeable fraction actually acted on their homicidal fantasies, the streets would be running- running red. So, you know, around this point, I just don't want to have anything to do with this guy. ", Yeah, we just need a whole lot more of one simple-. The reason why he's telling all this stuff is because he has cut a deal. Hi, this is Lauren from Winnipeg. I killed her. Saying, "You know, the process that I used to make food? Really? Accuracy and availability may vary. Any time the experimenter said, "You must continue" the shocker would say, "Hell no, I don't.". Three, two, one. And then, he starts this period of roaming. Clara, also from Breslau, also from a Jewish family. It's the experimenter. Two more minutes. He stirs up hatred between friends, between lovers. And to make the problem even more annoying. So you see it's just in that one experiment that 65 percent of people are willing to go all the way. He would dance around things. Under extreme, extreme pressure at high temperature, and then he forces hydrogen into the tank. All right. Hmm. It's a little bit more direct. Time's up. 35.3M . He eventually goes to England-. Now the volunteer couldn't see the guy he was shocking, but he'd definitely hear him. The time now is 08:36 hours. It's absolutely essential. Because if you ask university undergraduates, "What does the Milgram studies show?" Time's up. He stirs up hatred between friends, between lovers, he even schemes against his own wife. In 2016, Abumrad took a four-month break from Radiolab, in large part to recharge from what he's described as burnout from the years of making the show in his distinctly intense and very. He's chomping on a Virginian cigar. And it's moving in about one meter per second. Copyright 2019 New York Public Radio. And my father wasn't buying it. His calculations showed that it couldn't be done. All rights reserved. So the subjects seem willing to shock another human being, but as soon as you say, "It's an order.". He would obscure. We'll be right back to Haber, but wait- wait. And it gets even more disturbing for my father as the conversation suddenly pivots to another victim. "Well why can't you deal with it in a normal way?". So, Sam what happened to this guy after World War I? He did this experiment a bunch of times in a bunch of different ways. But in experiment number three, if they put the shockee in the same room with the shocker so the shocker could actually see the person as the shockee. Fact is if you don't continue, uh, we're going to discontinue the experiment. Takes away his wife, his children, all his material possessions. He has a podcast. That allows an individual to act inhumanely? Now that's important. Whether it was feeding, or killing, or-, And he does. So, who is- who is this guy right here? So, I'm just going to go into this other room over here. And they go, "Why?" The thing is that I do have a new boyfriend, but my ex-boyfriend doesn't know that yet, and I'm terrified that he'll do what he says. Well, he started- he started fuming that his wife had- had dissed him. Scattered One dead dad. Okay, so I heard this one from this guy named David-. But if you think that's the right thing. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. But he does it with a kind of, uh, amoral athleticism. Haber, it's unknown what happens for the rest of the evening, but it is a well documented fact that the very next morning-. And one evening they were throwing a- a party. Radiolab Society & Culture Science Latest Transcripts Kittens Kick The Giggly Blue Robot All Summer 2.7K views over 2 years ago 41:58 With the recent passing of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, there's been a lot of debate about how much power the Supreme Court should really have. We, as onlookers to this study, we have this kind of godlike sort of vision of like, "Well, of course, what they're doing is wrong." Then the executioner castrates you, cuts you open, and takes out your internal organs, and then separate your head; which is put on a post. And one of the first acts that the Nazis do is to-, That says, "There shall be no Jews in the civil service. It has enough what they used to call then solar energy. You mean they're looking at 20 million people hungry? Yes 80 percent of the air is nitrogen atoms. The show is nationally syndicated and is available as a podcast. Just to put that into context and to bring a few other of our storytellers in. This hour we take a look at what happens when we all try to live together. Really, that story has been told a million and one times for the last 50 years. A liquid. Um, this is one of the things that's, uh, this was one of the things that's sparked my interest in the topic of murder. And he ran them through something like what you and I just did. Eventually Iago convinces Othello that his wife has been disloyal, which hasn't. Of course, nobody wants to be killing other people; we realize this is hard work. A given episode might whirl you through science, legal history, and into the home of. In graphic detail. Really, that story's been told a million and one times for the last 50 years, we've just got to get over it. And, "Because women have stepped on me all my life." This is how it describes what it does: 'Radiolab believes your ears are a portal to another world. ", Now you're saying actually that you could read that very dark fact as being actually evidence of something quite-, Well if you dressed up, and if you just had some minor variance to the paradigm you could, presumably, make this up. But when he gets there, he has to contend with his wife, Clara Immerwahr. Within minutes, the gas reached the allied side. They wanted someone who was really thrillingly bad, but in the end, was, uh, redeemed a bit. I needed to kill her because that-. And Hitler takes over. What makes a bad person so bad that he's different from the rest of us? I can't quite place him-. Why does God allow this to happen? What he means is that when nitrogen atoms are just free floating in the air, they will cling to each other. Direct your voice to the microphone in the room. But what you're doing is for the good of Germany, and this is necessary in order to advance our noble cause.". And that's what Shakespeare did in all his plays. So read these words that you see here. So I'm just going to go into this other room over here. Is that how you say that? Read these words. In graphic detail. I was just astonished. Yeah, necrophilia. What follows is this ongoing conversation between Job and his friends about why does this happen? Now what you need to understand about Alex Haslem is that he hates it when interviewers only want to talk about the baseline study. He won't answer. At least not with a tremendous amount of energy. There's a pause and my father just says-. Imagine they really had to administer shocks to themselves or something. And this particular story, it comes from a book that David wrote. But that's just a- those are fantasies. And he believed it. And even when they do say yes, even when they go along with the experiment, as you can see in the film. And every scenario produced a different result. According to James, he is not the baddest-. This actually brings us to our first top of the hour, so just to set it up, Robert, I'm going to give you this piece of paper here. I'm Robert Krulwich. He would change where the shocker and the shockee sat. So Stanley Milgram actually begins these experiments-. And in the trial, when the prosecutors essentially ask him, "How you came to commit genocide?" I left him, went home. I invited him for dinner and as he was in the kitchen looking stupid peeling the carrots to make salad, I came up to him laughingly, gently so that he wouldn't suspect anything. I think what it's doing is, uh, if you breathe it in, it sort of irritates your lungs to the extent that they sort of fills up with fluid so quickly that you sort of drown in your own phlegm. The questionnaires they filled out are part of the Milgram archive at Yale. What you know you know. Wasn't satisfying me, it made me mad that she was very much in a hurry, she had something else on her mind, and I killed her. Any idea what the hell he was intending? He seemed calm. Why did you inflict on this suffering on them, on us? If this is the singular moment in Shakespeare where he gives you an un-understandably evil man, no motives, no reason; any idea what the hell he was intending? So, he decided he was going to invent a process to pay for these reparations by himself and what he decided to do is go into the ocean, into seawater, which contains, um, uh, some very small levels of gold. Birds would just fall from the air. Maybe this is the time they tell them to go brush their teeth or something. And it becomes Zyklon B, the killing gas of the concentration camps. She was actually a sort of a genius herself. I just needed to kill her." That one simple, "Why?" At this point, David's moved onto a new university and he's teaching an introductory psychology class. Haber's gas troops, uh, un- unscrewed, they opened the valves on almost 6000 tanks containing a 150 tons of chlorine. And he says, "That's what people wanted. With higher and higher voltage. Yellow mucus was frothing out of their mouth, those who could still breathe would turn blue. Um, we lived together for a couple months. Then he left some space at the bottom for them to elaborate if they said yes. With AI, blockchain, and quantum technology, IBM is developing smart, scalable technologies that help businesses work better together. Radiolab believes your ears are a portal to another world. He's standing there on the front pushing the gas into the lungs of other human beings. He's working with chemicals. Something's happening to that man in there. But he is a large, very strong man with a black belt in karate. [inaudible 00:59:22] it's building up [inaudible 00:59:24]. He says, "Well, we can drive those enemy soldiers out of trenches with gas.". He figures out a way to take a lot of air that's filled with these little nitrogen bonds clinging to each other and pump it to a big iron tank. And you find yourself in a situation where you've got to do something that's hard. There's you, and there's two other participants. And-. So, basically at 6:00 pm at April 22nd. This episode was produced with help from Carter Hodge. We did a show called The Bad Show. They were gagging, they were choking; hundreds of them were falling to the ground like-. And 91 percent of the men said, "Yes." Thank you to James Shapiro whose most recent book is called Contested Will. ", "Even- even when their sorrows almost were forgot. Gary starts going through this narrative of what he did to Carol. But over the entire ocean, there's a lot of gold dissolved into the sea. And later that night, after party, Haber takes a bunch of sleeping pills, goes to sleep. Of course nobody wants to be killing other people. And "Well, why the rage?" Thousands of people have done it before you. He was t- very aggressive. Do we know? David always known this guy to be pretty mild mannered. Okay. 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